Transcribed by Marcy Singer (Arindel)
Recorded in Toronto, Canada on June 23, 2003
KRIS: We are glad to see you here, both of you. And we are certainly thankful that you have braved the heat to come here.
Earlier on you were speaking about dance, the flamenco, and so many other dances that not only instill but awaken those deeper human passions deep from within the human heart for existence itself. Dance and music, therefore, have been with mankind and humankind even from the pre-physical state in ways that have always triggered a deep sense of being alive regardless of the culture and the background. That is why humans can create music and dance so readily and why others fall into it as readily.
The idea of interpreting and thus creating music stems from the deepest connection that you have with the universe at some much deeper level than you are normally aware of. The space that fills this room, the space anywhere that is apparently empty or devoid of form only appears so to your physical senses because they can only interpret certain wavelengths of consciousness.
But space is always filled, even if you cannot see what it is filled with. And that space and all space occupied with consciousness is not bland and devoid of everything simply because your senses do not pick it up. Space is not a vacuum, per se. There are great exchanges of energy and transformations of energy where you cannot detect it. And there are always activities, action in all corners of the universe.
The ancient Egyptians and the ancient Greeks, for instance, had established and the Greeks further developed of harmonies, sometimes referred to as celestial harmonies, divine harmonies, heavenly harmonies. They had the notion, for instance, that the ethers, what you call the vacuum of space, where you may even find celestial bodies, planets and suns and moons, created specific harmonics in their movements across the heavens and amongst other galaxies. And such a notion helped them develop their own unique type of musical scales, considered divine in origin, and in truth they were not far off the mark.
Though your ears pick up a greater range of sounds, your ears do not pick up all sounds. The dog’s ears are far more attuned, at least a dog who is not dead, and picks up ranges of sound above and below the range that your ears are able to detect. Thus the dog’s ears and many other animal’s ears can hear so many more things than you can, but it is assumed that you can only pick up between certain scales of sound there is nothing else in between. And there you might be mistaken, for indeed the celestial bodies do emit specific wavelengths of sound, most of which you do not detect.
Your own bodies produce sounds that you do not hear, for example. You are spared from hearing your own heart beat and pump blood through your veins. For if you did the sound of it surely might deafen you, but you do not hear it unless you use a stethoscope. And yet it is not that far from your eardrums.
You do not hear the sound of the stars nor do you hear the sound of the trees as they grow and mature and take up some of the space in your reality. Nor do you hear the sound from your own thoughts. Nor do you hear the sounds from the events and activities in your dreams, though you may occasionally remember some of them, including conversations.
So your range and ability to hear sound is rather limited. But here again, you have accustomed yourselves to accept sound only from your ears, though you could detect sounds with your other body parts and other senses. You have become so compartmentalized that you find the notion of seeing sounds quite strange. Or of hearing color.
However, if you practiced incorporating other abilities within your senses, you could detect a much greater range of activities in physical creation, whereas you could as we have just indicated feel sound, hear color, see sound, feel a color without the use of your eyes, for instance, or even with it. You could even touch/hear forms.
So all of this is trying to impress upon you that it is possible to experience much more from your physical senses than what you presently do and in that way expand your abilities to understand your role and position within time and space.
And we have described this because many ancient cultures did not pigeon hole themselves as much as you have in your present culture and thus were able to appreciate so many different aspects of physical reality including slightly different technologies than the ones you presently have, as well as different sciences and physics. And it is not impossible for you to open yourselves up to a broader range of sensory feedback without being restricted by any one sense in particular.
And what the ancient ancestors tried to do by the creation of music, musical notes and dance was to reproduce the dance and the music of celestial and heavenly bodies, of the movement of the stars, of the wind in the leaves, of the song of the water over pebbles as in a small brook. They tried to recreate some of the things they heard within their own minds and thus incorporate into their very physical expressions the substance that makes the world what it is in their own fashion.
Do you have questions on what we have said?
QUESTION: Why do we tune that out? Is it because we can’t cope with that much sound and vibration? We can feel vibration in our physical bodies and even feel sick if we get too much vibration in our bodies.
KRIS: There are different types of vibrations, some that would not make you feel ill. Some of this is the result of the intensified focus that you have organized through the ego, that part of you that organizes the pretty picture of physical reality without going over the line, so to speak. Do you follow?
If you look at children when they play with their coloring crayons, it is usually the adults’ concern that the child not color outside of the lines but stay within the guidelines. Do you understand?
That is actually the ego’s need to understand that it has control over its environment and that everything will stay neatly within the lines of the parameters of the beliefs that are acceptable to social values. Thus very early on the child is also trained in that way for it is highly significant that the child draw within the lines. Do you follow that?
As the ego develops it can, not all egos respond this way, but overall the ego is able to perceive realities outside of the lines. Other drawings, for instance, can exist outside the lines and it will not change, but some believe otherwise just as in some of the old days it was believed that if you went further than the horizon in the ocean you would fall off the world. Do you remember those in your history lessons?
A similar principle exists here, in psychological terms. The ego’s function is to make certain that your experiences of physical reality match your beliefs, and it will engender a series of beliefs to that effect. But when you are sufficiently wise to go beyond your own shell and you being your ego with you, then it may start perceiving a wider spectrum of reality.
But initially, the focus upon physical reality necessitates that those realities that exist outside of the lines be somewhat blocked off. The ego likes its position, so there is no specific reason to start stretching outside the lines until you pick up an interest in it. Do you follow?
QUESTION: The ‘you’ that we are talking about is the higher self or the soul that tries to move beyond the ego?
KRIS: We would address is as the ‘whole self.’ The personality is aware that it is more than the sum of all of its parts, and the ego also is aware of this, but it has to be gently coaxed to be able to act upon this. Once it realizes that it and you will not be annihilated because you drew outside the lines, then it breathes easier. But it will always keep an eye on you that you do not stray too much outside the lines unless it is somewhat approved. Do you understand?
That too is a dance. Look at the way your own dancing apprenticeship has enabled you to get in touch with feelings and fashions that otherwise you would have shunned. Do you follow?
So you are using this in a way to get in touch with a greater hunger for living than you have allowed yourself for sometimes otherwise. Does that make sense to you?
And since it is also a rather ancient form of entertainment and something that speaks to you and others, you allow yourself to ride that wave as much as you can from one step to the other. Does that make some sense to you?
Rare is the individual who does not like dance. Some may not wish to dance but will often observe a dancer because it speaks of the ancient memories. It stirs ancient echoes of this dance that exists between all life forms, even between atoms and molecules as they spin their electrons and protons as they accelerate and slow their rate of spinning to create various forms and structures, both within and outside of physical reality and your perceptions thereof.
So at this other level, all dance, all music seeks to express this unseen and often ignored dance of life that goes on all around, this dance of energy that flows in and through each individual. Does that make sense to you?
QUESTION: Why is it that some people don’t dance and don’t want to dance? Is that their ego shutting them down, to stay inside the lines?
KRIS: That to varying degrees. There are many personal reasons. There could be shyness involved. There could be issues with their upbringing, parental controls. There is sometimes the fear of expressing the deeper waves of passion and life that often come to the surface when one dances. Sometimes these are issues of control over one’s self. Do you understand?
QUESTION: I’m just thinking that there are a lot of men who don’t want to dance and don’t like to dance and don’t know how to dance.
KRIS: Which could also mean they will not dance. Often ‘I can’t dance’ means ‘I will NOT dance.’
QUESTION: Is that a battle between the ego and letting one’s self go?
KRIS: It is a fear of letting, enjoying that moment, perhaps letting go enough to even appear silly doing dance. There are very many reasons. Some people find that a dance is far too physical and can only enjoy the intellectual aspects of life and so many others. But dance is good.
Many of your ancestors all enjoyed a great variety of dances because it expressed the deeper rhythms of life. Your contact with the planet, for instance, that is a dance in its own way. And dance also expresses your creaturehood. It is sensual. It can even be erotic. It awakens untold passions in many individuals. Some prefer not to, while others feel free enough to let go and enjoy the moment and the connection between the music and the dance and their souls.
Now what is the time?
We suggest a small pause so that you can enjoy yourselves.
KRIS: We understand that you have questions. Please feel free.
QUESTION: When I came to see you before, a couple of months ago, you mentioned that I had had two incarnations and the same lousy thing happened to me in both. It was quite traumatic in both, and it made me wonder why do we knowingly go back into a situation ostensibly to learn, but we screw it up and end up psychologically damaged. Why did I have to go back twice? And I have still not gotten over it and it’s been crippling my life all this time. And it sounds like it’s been centuries that this has been going on. Is that the purpose of being reincarnated? We have the opportunity to learn and we don’t?
KRIS: There are many issues with reincarnation that take much more time than we usually have to discuss the subject matter. And most people are accustomed to understanding in terms of chronological order. But do understand that you are not truly bound by any such rule, per se, and though some individuals indeed pick up a topic repeatedly, most individuals try to work to the best of their abilities try to work out an issue so that they can overcome all aspects of it. And it is not that you are bound by what may have occurred in the past, but that you have presently the opportunity and the ability to change the directions of the lessons you have come here to try and learn and to reach beyond previous boundaries.
There are many ways that this can be accomplished. For instance, instead of considering that you might be a victim of old patterns, see yourself instead as having knowledge that you have tried your hand at this in other lifetimes and with that knowledge you can now make sufficient corrections and alterations to your, we will call them blueprint, to your future path without carrying these excess burdens from the past, but that instead in the here and now in the power of the present moment you can determine that there are no situations that can affect you save those you now choose as beneficial and as an enhancement to your present and future existence. Do you understand that?
QUESTION: That doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s all going to be a bed of roses, eh? Are we choosing to have these bad experiences?
KRIS: You do not choose bad experiences, but you may choose difficult challenges sometimes simply because one is tenacious, but sometimes you choose difficult challenges because underneath all of this the lessons are well worth the realization that in spite of all appearances and in spite of all influences from some past or another, the discovery of the power you have in the here and now to change all patterns affecting you can have such an influence that even the past is changed.
QUESTION: So then even though I know I want to change this, why does the ego fight so hard against changing it? It’s so easy to say, ‘I control my thoughts’ but in fact, it’s quite a hard thing to do. Or is that part of the challenge of being here?
KRIS: That you have hit on the head. To let go of all ideas and philosophies that one is a victim of events and circumstances and conditions, including one’s environment, is actually quite difficult and it is so because it is actually frightening. Because then you are responsible to yourself.
Think about it for a moment. You cannot blame others. You cannot blame yourself. You determine the outcome of your living conditions by engaging specific thought patterns, and you do that by the recognition that there are no outside agencies or entities that control your destiny in any way shape or form whatsoever. In other words, you are solely responsible for your psychological, psychic, emotional and physical well-being.
And you do not need to fear that you have to conquer these lessons overnight. But the simple realization that in spite of all appearances you still determine where your ship goes, in spite of whatever storm may come up that you are the author of your life may also be as scary as it is enticing, and the more you battle yourself and hassle yourself, the more difficult it becomes.
QUESTION: I can imagine sometimes good things, but as one person called it, there seems to be an addiction to negativity and it’s difficult to even begin to imagine something better. It’s like imagining being loved when you have never felt it. It’s difficult.
KRIS: And that particular point is the most pivotal for almost everyone to approach. You are, your entire species is accustomed to thinking that love must have a form, must have an object, and yet your species would be most astounded if it discovered that love is itself and it is worthwhile and valued on its own terms and it does not need a form or an object and it is possible to love and in fact to be in love without being in love with someone else.
QUESTION: So it’s like being inside an ocean without a boat.
KRIS: Indeed. Little do you realize that in those terms you are natural swimmers, and in fact even drowning in that ocean could not be better. Most people have built up defenses because usually in life you love and you get hurt, you love and you are lied to, you love and you are forgotten, you love and they have the nerve to die and on top of this you love and then YOU die. What is all of this worth? Is it worth it?
QUESTION: A lot of the time, no.
KRIS: That only exists in a particular mindset, but if you put on another thinking cap you can have an entirely different experience of reality. And the sooner you begin to object to those traits and so-called negativity, and the sooner you refuse to accept those conditions because you have more loving conditions to occupy your time and your passions, the easier it becomes.
QUESTION: So when two people love each other, what is that really, since love doesn’t need an object? And what is that feeling that they complete one another? Were they empty?
KRIS: It is also a genuine expression of love through form. But in and of itself it is possible to be in that same state without being in love with another, and it is not a hedonistic or narcissistic love. It is indeed a very deep and profound experience to be in love simply because you are yourselves.
QUESTION: So you are talking about being in love with oneself.
KRIS: Not exactly. It still transcends the notion of hedonistic or narcissistic love. IT is actually that state that you come from. You think you come into the world as a result of the union between your parents. That is the appearance of your physical form, but you come from a much greater state of grace where this atmospheric presence or energetic love is what surrounds you and IS you, you are it, and when you take birth generated by the union of your own parents, you are a portion of that grace-filled state, that loving state, and you express it through your present development. That is one way that you are always tied in with the greater universal self.
Now when you become consumed with daily concerns, you tend to forget where you come from and what you are made of and you think you are less than worthy individuals. And that is your struggle.
QUESTION: So if parents birth a child and for some reason do not love that child, that doesn’t mean that the child is unlovable become we come from this divine source of love?
QUESTION: So to say my father didn’t love me or my mother didn’t love me is just looking at it superficially, right?
KRIS: In so many respects to blame the parents because they did not love me, he didn’t love me, she didn’t love me, they didn’t love me, is still maintaining an excuse from loving yourself in respect to the previous mention of fear, because if you actually felt yourself filled with this love, then what would you have to complain about? Would your existence ever be the same?
You couldn’t complain about your government and whatever lousy Prime Minister you have. You couldn’t complain about Texas. You couldn’t complain about bitchy neighbors. You couldn’t complain about this and that and about this co-worker and that boss.
QUESTION: But then what would we talk about?
KRIS: It does not mean that conversations would be bland and boring or that you would have nothing to talk about. But they would certainly speak about the higher qualities they would find in everyone they meet. They would instill passion in those they encounter, maybe without even speaking. They would entice that loving nature to make itself known.
And there are individuals that do this. They are not necessarily all saints. Many a saint has been little more than a crab. Do you understand? Basically being crabby.
QUESTION: Is there a state of grace? My personality is stuck in whatever it’s stuck in. Is there is a state of grace to take me out of it? I’ve had therapists say to me ‘I don’t know if you’ll ever be able to over this in this life.’
KRIS: Then prove them wrong. What is wrong with that? In good old English, you can tell anyone to go ‘F’ themselves that would try to convince you that you do not have the intestinal fortitude to go beyond your own limitations. Where is your pattern?
QUESTION: Believe me, I kicked them.
KRIS: Now kick yourself into a state of grace.
QUESTION: I have another thing. I’m trying not to blame my parents but the situation I came into was so devoid, you were talking about the cosmic dance and I chose a family where there is no sound. There is silence. Now, what the hell was I thinking of when I was up there floating around to come into this? That I wanted to prove my own intestinal fortitude that much and I forgot that I had?
KRIS: If you were a man we would say your balls.
Now, the point is whether your parents loved you or didn’t love you sufficiently or didn’t do this or didn’t do that, you can keep mulling that over until you are well beyond the grave. Or you can do a bolder thing indeed. Do they have to have loved you for you to love them?
QUESTION: The question is how do you express an experience, what it feels like? It’s like learning a language.
KRIS: That is also psychological jargon. You can reach deep within you….
QUESTION: If I was never taught the language of what a family is, of what love is? Or do we come equipped with that naturally?
KRIS: In the family situation you are taught how to express it within certain boundaries within those lines.
QUESTION: So we need to step outside of those lines.
KRIS: Indeed. You came from outside of those lines. In fact outside of the coloring book entirely.
QUESTION: Well, that’s very encouraging. So when I forget myself I try to stay inside the lines instead of stepping outside, which is natural.
KRIS: You indeed have come to the physical world out of loving intent. You could not be here without loving intent, and this loving intent certainly transcends all psychological definitions which are often very dry and static, even dusty. Love often and actually does not need to be prompted to kick in. It exists.
QUESTION: If I take my fingers out of my ears, yes.
KRIS: Wherever that you direct your love you often feel a fear as the great wall that you sometimes crash into. And it looms for many people. You are not alone. Your culture, on the one hand, cries peace and love, but you actually do what you are not supposed to. Do you understand?
QUESTION: You are not supposed to express it, you mean?
QUESTION: That actually seems more crazy than when I want to give love and people don’t accept it, especially with children.
KRIS: So our challenge to you then oh great passionate dancer is once again two things. One of then is to practice loving something, even if it a tree down the street, a fish in a pond, a little kitten, puppy, or a little bird.
QUESTION: Just to feel that love.
KRIS: Indeed. It is entirely irrelevant to whom. Just send it out.
QUESTION: Not even express it to them.
KRIS: It is not necessary at this point.
Secondly, at another time during the day reflect on whom and what you directed your love to and then give it to yourself. And thank yourself for having been both the giver and the receiver of love. Make it a private ritual.
QUESTION: (Unable to make out the question.)
KRIS: You basically accepted a bad bill of goods in many of your religions, and it has simply continued into your private lives. Does that sound like a good challenge to you?
QUESTION: Yes. Mission impossible here I go.
KRIS: The more frightening aspect is that this mission actually can be possible.
QUESTION: If I can keep with it beyond two weeks I’ll be doing good if I can even DO it for two weeks.
KRIS: Do it on a day-to-day basis and then you will see that after a few weeks it actually is a lot easier than you thought. And then trick will be to eventually direct it into areas you think it should not go.
QUESTION: Yes, that is a big challenge.
KRIS: Then you will see your own resistances flair up but also give way, but they must flare up for you to make them give way. That means that you also accept and love yourself regardless if you think that you are being an old crab or not because underneath the surface there is still that divine spark of life, the great lady of passion. Do you understand?
Now you already have a nickname here.
Now, what is the time?
Do you have questions?
QUESTION: I have one question concerning something you spoke about earlier in being able to see sounds or hear colors. How could we practice that?
KRIS: Indeed. You could, for instance, hold an object and try to hear it with your hands. You could try to listen to a painting such as one that has colors and vibrancy. Do you understand? And that moment following it, it too will take you outside of the lines and you may feel some resistances simply because the regular use of the sense says, ‘you can’t do that. You are playing outside the lines.’
QUESTION: Is that like putting my hand above yellow and trying to tell the difference between yellow and green?
KRIS: Indeed. And you can see with your hands, but it takes a little more practice.
QUESTION: Could you do that with your eyes closed?
KRIS: You could try both. See which one works better for you. The idea is to experiment and there is no right or wrong. Someone may feel the color red entirely differently than you do, and that is all right. Does that help you?
Indeed. Then we will take our leave of your most passionate and inquisitive selves. And my you have indeed a grace-filled and blessed week.
Serge Joseph Grandbois channels Kris, a compassionate and intelligent non-physical entity, or Energy Personality Gestalt (as Kris describes themselves). Serge is one of the clearest vessels for non-physical communication in the world today. He has given voice to Kris for nearly 35 years, helping people from all walks of life.
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